Some notes and comments on various Biblical texts some have used to promote the doctrine of the Trinity. The main approach that will be used to arrive at a proper balanced view of these texts is based on the FACT that the Bible interprets itself.

"For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."  THIS IS THE ONE WHO CAME BY WATER  This is a scripture that has some saying that John is identifying the only true God as a trinity.

Is this  the case? Why would ones believe the Apostle John is telling us this from the above translation of these two verses? Well it is because of the way the King James translates verse 7. It is as we see below:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

AGAIN DEAR READERS IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE WHOLE PASSAGE, I WILL CITE PASSAGE FROM VERSE 5 – to - 13 AS IT IS IN NIV: "WHO IS IT THAT OVERCOMES THE WORLD? ONLY HE WHO BELIEVES THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.

6 THIS IS THE ONE WHO CAME BY WATER AND BLOOD – JESUS CHRIST. HE DID NOT COME BY WATER ONLY, BUT BY WATER AND BLOOD. AND IT IS  THE SPIRIT WHO TESTIFIES, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS THE TRUTH.

7 FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT TESTIFY: 8 THE SPIRIT, THE WATER AND THE BLOOD: AND THE  THREE ARE IN AGREEMENT.

9 WE ACCEPT MAN'S TESTIMONY, BUT GOD’S TESTIMONY IS GREATER BECAUSE IT IS THE TESTIMONY OF GOD, WHICH HE HAS GIVEN ABOUT THE SON.

10 ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE SON OF GOD HAS THIS TESTIMONY IN HIS HEART. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE GOD HAS MADE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR, BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED THE TESTIMONY ABOUT HIS  SON.

11 AND THIS IS THE TESTIMONY: GOD HAS GIVEN US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS  LIFE IS  IN HIS SON.

12 HEWHO HAS THE SON HAS LIFE; HE WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE SON OF GOD DOES NOT HAVE LIFE.

13 I WRITE THESE THINGS TO YOU WHO BELIEVE IN THE "NAME" OF THE SON OF GOD SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL  LIFE."

PLEASE NOT WHAT THIS PASSAGE CITES: ANYONE WHO DOES NOT  BELIEVE IN THE  "NAME" OF THE SON OF GOD – HE/SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE GOD IN  THEIR LIFE. DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD - THAT IS - THAT  HE IS "TRUE  GOD"???

So which translation is most accurate? Which translation should we go by? Well, let us first look at a few other translations of this verse to help us determine the answer to our question.

WE SHOULD USE THE TRANSLATION THAT DOES  NOT INSERT" WORDS IN TO THE AUTHOR’S TEXT. THAT EXCLUDES NWT AS WT HAS  "INSERTED" SO MANY WORDS THAT ARE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT.

The Revised Standard Version reads: "And the Spirit is the witness because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and  these three agree."

The New International Version reads: "For there are three that testify: he Spirit, the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."

The American Standard Version reads: "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one."

Here we see just three other translations that agree with the NWT above. We could site a lot more. Why then the difference of the King James at these verses from almost all other translations?

It is because the Greek manuscripts used to translate the King James, contained spurious additions, {WE HAVE SHOWN TIME & TIME AGAIN THAT NWT HAS SO MANY  INSERTIONS THAT AREN’T THERE, BUT ACCORDING TO THIS AUTHOR  IT IS OK TO USE HMMMM}meaning that they had words added to the text that were not in older, more reliable Greek copies, namely the words: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FAther, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." These words came to be known, by scholars, as the Johannine Comma." Scholars through out the ages, have traced the way in which the spurious reading (as in the KJ) crept into the Latin versions. These words first  appeared as a marginal note of the Latin text, then later into the text  itself. It is suggested that  these spurious words were first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript, which was corrected from the Latin. Thus there are no known copies of 1 John in the original Greek texts that include the words as translated in the KJ  at 1 John 5:7 earlier that the 12th century.

THAT IS WHY I HAVE CITED  NIV FOR YOUR READING OF THIS PASSAGE. YES, THE ABOVE WORDS
DO APPEAR IN  KJV, BUT THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE PASSAGE AS  NWT DOES IN SO MANY BIBLE TEXTS.

Consider what one of the world's leading authorities on the transmission of the New Testament text (and a staunch trinitarian!) has to say regarding these verses. After quoting the reading of the King James in 1 John 5:7-8, Bruce Metzger, in his Textual
Commentary on the New Testament, pages 715-717, says:

"That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain in the light of the following considerations.

I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WORDS BEING THERE AS THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE PASSAGE. HOWEVER - THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

HOWEVER "NWT" SHOULD NOT ALTER THE MEANING OF THE GODS WORD - THAT IS PLAIN & SIMPLE - YET THEY DO ON SO MANY OCCASIONS BY "INSERTING" WORDS THAT ARE NOT IN ORIGINAL GREEK EITHER. THIS IS DONE DELIBERATELY SO TO DECEIVE THE PERSON READING IT.

(A) External Evidence.

 (1) The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except four, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a translation from a late recension of the Latin Vulgate. These four  manuscripts are ms. 61, a sixteenth century manuscript formerly at Oxfornow at Dublin; ms. 88, a twelfth century manuscript at Naples, which has the passage written in the margin by a modern  hand; ms. 629, a fourteenth or fifteenth century manuscript in the Vatican; and ms. 635, an eleventh century manuscript which has the passage written in the margin by a seventeenth century hand.

(2) The passage is quoted by none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran
Council in 1215.

(3) The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate (b) as issued by  Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied A.D. 541-46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before A.D. 716]) or  (c) as revised by Aleuin (first hand of codex Vercellensis [ninth century]). The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled  LIber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when  the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of the three witnesses; the Spirit, the  water, and the   blood), an interpretation which may have been written first as a  marginal note that afterwards  found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth
century onwards it is found  more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various  witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other  intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2:17; 4:3; 5:6, and 20.)

AS YOU CAN SEE I HAVE INCLUDED THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT FROM TRINITY EXPOSED WEB PAGE. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT I HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE. BUT THIS INFO WASN'T NECESSARY AS THE SCRIPT DOES NOT CHANGE THE MEANING IN THE BIBLE TEXT.

THE AUTHOR OF THE TRINITY EXPOSED WEB PAGE GOES ON & ON ABOUT OTHER BIBLES - YET HE / SHE IS NOT WILLING TO DO THE SAME FOR THE NWT & ALL OF IT'S INSERTIONS OF "ENGLISH" WORDS IN TO THE TEXT THAT ARE NOT THERE IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK.

THIS IS SO BIASED THAT IT ISN'T FUNNY - BUT THAT IS THE LINE THAT SOME WANT TO FOLLOW & THEY HAVE THAT FREEDOM TO DO OS. IT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT & THAT IS WHY THIS WEB PAGE IS UP & RUNNING.

(B) Internal Probabilities.

(1) As regards transcriptional probability, if the passage were original, no good reason can be  found to account for its omission, either accidentally or intentionally, and by translators of ancient  versions.

 (2) As regards intrinsic probability, the passage makes an awkward break in the sense." NO IT DOES NOT!!

Thus, on all counts, this passage as worded in the King James Bible, is not a part of God's Word. It was added first as a marginal interpretation, then that margin, several centuries after John wrote his letter, found its way into various LATER Latin manuscripts, and then became a part of only 4 (!) Greek manuscripts, none of which are earlier than the 12th century!!!

JUST LIKE THE WORDS THAT ARE IN NWT "UNION WITH" – "OTHER"  JEHOVAH SOME  230 TIMES INSTEAD OF LORD – REV. 3:14 "OE THE" TO "BY" – "WORSHIP"  TO "DO  OBEISANCE" ETC… WE COULD GO ON & ON.

In EVERY SENSE THE NWT  "ALTERS" THE  MEANING OF THE PASSAGE TO WT TEACHING & NOT ACCORDING TO WORD OF GOD.

YES THESE WORDS ARE NOT IN ANY OTHER EDITION THAT I KNOW OF, BUT THEY DO NOT "ALTER" THE MEANING OF THE ENTIRE PASSAGE. I AM NOT  DEFENDING THE ORIGINAL WRITERS OF KJV – ALL I AM STATING IS THAT – THE  "MEANING" DOES  NOT CHANGE IN KJV BY THE ADDITION OF THESE WORDS, while  THE  MEANING CHANGES  IN "EVERY" SENSE IN NWT. BE YOUR OWN JUDGE OF NWT WHEN  COMPARING IT TO OTHER VERSIONS.

Therefore we conclude that these words as translated in the King James,  are based on bogus Greek manuscripts that added the spurious words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy  Ghost: and these three are one."   SEE LAST COMMENT.

These words were not a part of the original inspired word of God that teaches us that "Whoever makes the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God remains in  union with such one and he in union with God." Yes, Jesus is to be confessed as the Son of  God, not as God the  Son.

NOTE THE WORDS "UNION WITH" THEY ARE NOT IN ORIGINAL GREEK  TEXT, YET  THEY ARE OK TO USE IN NWT WHICH COMPLETELY ALTER THE  MEANING. BUT THE  WORDS THAT DO NOT CHANGE THE MEANING OR NOT OK.

ALSO – NOTE THAT THE AUTHOR STATES THAT SON OF GOD IS "NOT" THE SAME AS  "GOD THE SON."

NOW I ASK YOU DEAR READERS – IS "SON OF A HUMAN" SAME AS  "HUMAN SON?" OF COURSE IT IS! IF IT WEREN’T THEN YOUR OWN CHILDREN WOULD BE A CREATION OF SOME OTHER KIND, GOD FORBID!

IS YOUR CHILD A CHILD OF A HORSE, DOG, RAM, FISH ETC? OF COURSE NOT!  WHEN AN OFFSPRING IS AN OFFSPRING OF HUMAN THEN IT IS A CHILD OF HUMAN,  WHICH IN TURN MAKES THAT CHILD "HUMAN CHILD."

SAME APPLIES TO GOD - HIS SON IS GOD ALSO - IF IT IS NOT THEN HE IS OF A DIFFERENT KIND!!

"But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting."

FIRST OF ALL TAKE A LOOK IN THE "KIT" & YOU WILL NOTICE THAT  THE WORDS "UNION WITH" AREN’T THERE. WT TRANSLATING COMMITTEE HAS  INSERTED THEM. THE VERSE AS IT IS IN NIV:

"WE KNOW ALSO THAT THE SON OF GOD HAS COME AND HAS GIVEN US  UNDERSTANDING, SO THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM WHO IS TRUE. AND WE ARE "IN HIM" WHO IS TRUE – EVEN "IN" HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. HE IS TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL  LIFE. 21 DEAR CHILDREN, KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS."

NOTE THE DIFFERENCE IN MEANING FROM NWT TO NIV! BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN HE LIVES "IN" US & WE "IN" HIM, TO BEING IN "UNION WITH" HIM."

This is a verse that some have used to say that Jesus is called the "true God." Is this the case? YES IT IS – AS THAT IS WHAT THE WORD OF GOD  TELLS US. EVEN NWT TELLS US THAT THIS IS SO, BUT WE HAVE TO GO SOME   WHERE ELSE AGAIN. Let us look into this scripture in some depth.

First let us look at the scriptures leading up to this verse. Starting with verse 18 we read: "We  know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on  him. We know we  originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the]  wicked one. But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity  that we may gain the  knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by  means of his Son Jesus  Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting."

LET’S LOOK AT THE WHOLE PASSAGE FROM NIV:

18- "WE KNOW THAT ANYONE BORN  "OF" GOD DOES NOT CONTINUE IN SIN; THE ONE WHO WAS"OF" GOD  KEEPS HIM  SAFE, AND THE EVIL ONE CAN NOT HARM HIM.

19 WE KNOW THAT WE  ARE CHILDREN  "OF" GOD, AND THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF  THE EVIL ONE.

20 "WE KNOW ALSO THAT THE SON OF GOD HAS COME AND HAS  GIVEN US  UNDERSTANDING, SO THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM WHO IS TRUE. AND  WE ARE "IN HIM"  WHO IS TRUE – EVEN "IN" HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. HE IS TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL  LIFE.

21 DEAR CHILDREN, KEEP YOUR SELVES FROM IDOLS."

DO YOU NOTICE THE "BIG" DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MEANINGS OF THE 2 PASSAGES??

BY THE MISS USES OF GRAMMATICAL RULES & INSERTIONS OF WORDS THAT ARE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK - THE MEANING IS CHANGED COMPLETELY. YET THE AUTHOR IS NOT POINTING THIS OUT ABOUT NWT. HMMMM

Now let us pull these scriptures apart [THIS IS THE PROBLEM HERE - PULLING SCRIPTURE APART]  and see just who is being called the "true God." We start with verse 18 that first says: "We know that every [person] that has  been born from {NOT FROM GOD, BUT "OF" GOD}God does not practice sin." Who is this speaking about? It obviously is referring to those that embrace the truth, and turn their life around and do not intentionally  make sin a practice. Let us continue.

DEAR READERS = WE ARE BORN AGAIN & THAT MEANS BORN "OF" GOD BY HIS SPIRIT LIVING IN US. IT’S A DIFFERENT THING TO BE "FROM" GOD,  ISN’T IT?

ANYONE THAT IS BORN AGAIN DOES NOT DENY GOD & HIS SON. AS THEY WILL NOT DENY THEMSELVES - 2 TIMOTHY 2:11-13 - PLEASE READ  ENTIRE PASSAGE FROM VERSE 1 TO END.

WE ARE NOT CHILDREN "FROM" GOD, INSTEAD WE ARE CHILDREN "OF" GOD. HE IS OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER & NOT OUR HUMAN FATHER. WE ARE "FROM" OUR HUMAN PARENTS, YET EVEN OUR PARENTS (IF THEY BELIEVE IN SON OF GOD) ARE CHILDREN "OF" GOD.

JOHN 3:3-7 - 1 JOHN 5:1 - GALATIANS 4:4-7 & ROMANS 8: 1-16  - PLEASE READ THESE PASSAGES VERY CAREFULLY & PAY ATTENTION TO WORDS LIKE "ALL BELIEVING" " EVERYONE" ETC.

Next we read: "but the One born from {OF}  God watches him." Who is the One who is born from {OF} God? Revelation 3:14 answers this for us: "And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce'a  write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true  witness, the beginning of the  creation by God." (More on this verse under the Revelation 3:14 heading)

{THIS VERSE AS IT IS IN NIV, BUT PLEASE READ YOUR KIT & YOU WILL SEE  THAT THE WORD "BY" WAS INSERTED FOR WORD "OF:" "TO THE ANGEL OF THE  CHURCH IN LAODICEA WRITE: THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THE AMEN, THE FAITHFUL  AND TRUE WITNESS, THE RULER "OF" GOD’S CREATION."} [DO YOU  SEE THE  DIFFERENCE IN MEANING IN TWO PASSAGES?].

Also we read at Collisions  1:15  the words: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all  creation." (More on this verse under the Collisions 1:15 heading) YES   THIS IS A GOOD PASSAGE TO READ!

JESUS IS THE "IMAGE OF" INVISIBLE GOD

AS GOD IS A SPIRIT & WE CAN NOT SEE HIM - - BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT JESUS - WE SEE WHAT GOD LOOKS LIKE IN THE FLESH.

Yes, it is none other than Jesus Christ! Jesus is the one "born from God," whom the Bible calls the "beginning of God's creation," and "the firstborn of all creation," who watches over those that practice sin no more.

" NO – NO- NO – PLEASE RE READ THE PASSAGES AGAIN. JESUS IS THE CREATOR & NOT A CREATED BEING. YES JESUS IS THE ONE RULING  OVER ALL THINGS. HE IS THE KING OF KINGS CREATOR OF THE  HEAVEN & EARTH.

Next we read: "and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him." Yes, here we see that it is Satan who loses supreme control over those that wash their robes white in the Blood of the Lamb  (Revelation 7:9) {THIS IS IN REV. 7:14 & NOT VERSE 9. VERSE 9 GOES LIKE  THIS: "AFTER THIS I LOOKED AND THERE BEFORE ME WAS GREAT MULTITUDE THAT  NO ONE COULD COUNT, FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE, STANDING BEFORE THE "THRONE" AND "IN FRONT" OF THE LAMB.   THEY WERE  WEARING WHITE ROBES AND HOLDING PALM BRANCHES IN THEIR  HANDS."}

and have applied the ransom of Jesus in their lives. However, Satan marks these faithful ones as targets of his attacks while they are still alive here on earth. (Rev. 12:17)

PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE WAS A GREAT MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF GOD IN HEAVEN & NOT EARTH.

Next we read: "We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one." Yes, True Christians originate with (or submit to the rule of ) God, yet the entire world of mankind (alienated from Jehovah) is under the control of  Satan, the one whom the  Bible calls the real correct ruler and God of this system of things  alienated from Jehovah, and  destined for destruction at Armageddon. (2 Cor. 4:4)

NOT SO- NOW THE AUTHOR IS CALLING JESUS "DEVIL" – ALSO THE  AUTHOR HAS  ELEVATED SATAN TO THE STATUS OF "GOD" WHILE JESUS IS "a god,"  THIS IS  BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE SON OF GOD. I WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE  YOU TO RE READ  THE 1 JOHN 5:18 –21 VERY CAREFULLY. IT GOES LIKE THIS:

" WE KNOW THAT "ANYONE" BORN OF GOD DOES NOT CONTINUE TO SIN; THE ONE  WHO WAS BORN OF GOD KEEPS HIM SAFE, AND THE EVIL ONE CAN  NOT HARM HIM."

PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS JESUS WHO IS KEEPING US SAFE FROM  DEVIL. JESUS IS  NOT THE DEVIL, THAT’S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT  WORDS IN  THE BIBLE. WHEN WE USE THE WORD "OF" GOD & NOT "FROM" GOD – THEN WE HAVE  A DIFFERENT PERSON THAT IS KEEPING US SAFE.

Next we read: "But we know that the Son of God has come." Yes, Jesus has indeed come as God's sacrificial Lamb, that takes away the sins of the world. (1 John  2:2)

Next we read: "and he has given us intellectual capacity {UNDERSTANDING}  that we may gain the knowledge of the true one." Here  we see our first glimpse into the real identity of whom is called the  "true God." Notice here that Christians are given "intellectual  capacity." This Greek word "dianoia," means "the mind as the faculty of  understanding, intelligence, intellect, insight, comprehension,  an operation of understanding." Yes, true Christians are given  intellect, or comprehension,  and a mind that has the faculty of understanding, with which to know the  "true one." But who  is the word "he" referring to that actually "gives true Christians this  intellect?" This is the big  question, and the key to our proper understanding of verse 20.

Notice at the beginning of verse 20, it says: "But we know that the Son of God." Yes it is JESUS,  the Son of God, that has given us intellectual capacity to know the true one. So then because of Jesus, we are able to understand the "true one." Who is this true one, that Jesus has allowed  us to understand?

DEAR READERS THIS IS TRUE – JESUS HAS GIVEN US "UNDERSTANDING" & WE SHOULD USE IT TO UNDERSTAND THE NEXT  PART OF THE  VERSE.

Before we answer that question, let us back up a moment, and bring a point to the fore here regarding what Jesus gives true Christians. He gives them "intellectual capacity," to gain the knowledge of the true one. Thus, Christians do not worship a "mystery trinity God" of whom  they can't discern. Jesus said at John 4:22 to the Samaritan woman: "YOU  worship what YOU do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation  originates with the Jews." Thus true Christians worship what they now, or have the intellectual capacity to gain the knowledge of. They do not worship what they do not know. Trinitarians worship what they "do not  know," an admitted mystery trinity God. This is not Jehovah's way of  dealing with his people.

{TRINITY IS NOT A MYSTERY ONCE YOU HAVE HOLY SPIRIT  INDWELLING IN YOUR  HEART. IT IS ONLY A MYSTERY WHEN YOU ARE DEALING FROM  MAN'S POINT OF  VIEW WHO DENY JESUS & IN TURN REJECT HOLY SPIRIT}. EVERY  CHRISTian  WORSHIPS THE SON JUST AS HE WORSHIPS THE FATHER, WE ALSO  ACCEPT THE WORD  OF GOD AS IT IS IN THE BIBLE & WE DO NOT MAKE THINGS UP, INSERT  WORDS TO  SUIT OUR OWN MEANINGS & WE DEFINITELY DO NOT CALL JESUS  "DEVIL." AS THIS  AUTHOR DID IN THIS PASSAGE, SEE FEW PARAGRAPHS ABOVE.

We learn this by reading the words at Nehemiah 8:12: "So all the people went away to eat and drink and to send out portions and to carry on a great rejoicing, for they had understood the  words that had been made known to them." Yes they understood the words  that had been made  known to them."

WE READ IN 2 TIMOTHY 3:5-7

" HAVING THE FORM OF godliness BUT  DENYING  ITS POWER. HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. THEY ARE KIND WHO WORM THEIR  WAY INTO HOMES & AGAIN CONTROL OVER WEAK WILLED WOMEN,  WHO ARE LOADED  DOWN WITH SINS AND ARE SWAYED BY ALL KINDS OF EVIL DESIRES,  ALWAYS  LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH."

Proverbs 4:7 says: "Wisdom is the prime thing. Acquire wisdom; and with all that you acquire, acquire understanding." How can one acquire understanding of a mystery  trinity God {IT IS NOT A MYSTERY WHEN YOU HAVE GOD LIVING IN YOU, BUT   IT IS A MYSTERY WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE GOD LIVING IN YOU. REASON FOR THIS  IS THAT DEVIL HAS TAKEN CONTROL & HE WANTS TO TAKE YOU  AWAY FROM GOD}. One cannot. But what of ones that say, "You can't understand the trinity  of God, for it most certainly is a mystery, beyond our comprehension, just like God being from eternity, without beginning." Well to that, we might point out that while it is true that eternity is something that we cannot "relate to," we most certainly can comprehend the concept, as it  is within our understandings or intellectual capacity, which Jesus gave  us. By doing so, we would refer right back to John's words here in this  verse where he tells us that Jesus has "given us intellectual capacity  to know the true God, Jehovah." However one cannot even begin to imagine or comprehend a "trinity Godhead," this very fact is outwardly admitted by most trinitarians. Thus trinitarians have obviously missed  out on what Jesus has given true Christians, namely "intellectual  capacity," for they admit they  worship a mystery trinity God, one they cannot comprehend.

WE ALL HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND GOD ONLY WHEN HE IS   TELLING US WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE LIKE GOD.

HOW CAN ANY MAN UNDERSTAND WHAT HEAVEN & GOD ARE LIKE?  THEY CAN NOT!! CAN  THEY?  NO MAN KNOWS WHAT GOD IS LIKE EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF.

SO WHY FOLLOW MAN WHO CAN NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT GOD, EXCEPT WHAT  WAS WRITTEN BY SOME OTHER MAN?

JESUS TOLD US MANY TIMES THAT HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD US TO ALL THE TRUTH,  LIKE JOHN 16:13. THEN WHY DO WE NEED MEN? WE DO NOT!

ONLY GOD CAN TELL US WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE LIVING IN HIM & HE IN YOU. TO EXPERIENCE HIS LOVE etc. IS ONLY POSSIBLE WHEN GOD IS THE  LEADER.

BLIND  MAN WILL ONLY LEAD YOU INTO A DITCH & NOT TO GOD, MATTHEW 15:14.

We might also point out, in fairness, that some, in an effort to prove that they can comprehend this mystery trinity God, have said "But what about water? H2O. It can  be liquid, solid, and gas, yet it is all still H2O!" Well this is all very nice, however this illustration misses the mark for one single water molecule (just like God is one single God) is NEVER, and can NEVER BE, "Liquid, Solid, and Gas SIMULTANEOUSLY! "

NOW THE AUTHOR IS SAYING THAT "GOD" IS LIMITED WHAT HE CAN DO OR BE. GOD CAN BE ANY FORM HE CHOOSES TO BE BUT THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE  PURPOSE.

GOD WANTS US TO FOLLOW HIM BY "FAITH" & NOT BY WHAT HE CAN OR CAN NOT DO. YET ALL THAT HE HAS TO DO IS SPEAK & THE HEAVENS & EARTH GET CREATED - I SAY HE IS VERY POWERFUL.

REGARDS THE ABOVE FORMULA - THE AUTHOR MISSES THE POINT BY A ENTIRE UNIVERSE-  WATER HAS 3 STAGES - LIQUID - GAS & SOLID -  YET IN EACH STATE IT IS "ONE" FORMULA - H2O

NO MATTER WHAT STATE IT IS IN - IT IS THE ONE & THE SAME FORMULA OF H2O!!

SAME APPLIES TO GOD - IF HE IS IN A SPIRIT FORM OR FLESH FORM LIKE JESUS WAS SOME 1970 YEARS AGO - HE IS STILL GOD - PHILIPPIANS 2:6 TITUS 2:11-13 & 3: 4

GOD IS 3 PERSONS – REASON FOR THIS IS THAT "GOD" IS NOT A "BEING" LIKE ONE HUMAN BEING, BUT "GOD " IS A "NATURE" LIKE "HUMANITY."

WITHIN THE NATURE HUMANITY THERE ARE "MANY HUMANS" IN ANY ONE NATION, YET IT IS "ONE" NATION & NOT MANY NATIONS.

THERE ARE 5 "HUMAN BEINGS" IN MY FAMILY, YET IT IS "ONE" FAMILY. THERE ARE MANY HUMANS IN ANY ONE SPORTING TEAM, YET IT IS "ONE" TEAM.

THE LIST  GOES ON, JUST LIKE HUMAN BODY IT COMPRISES OF 3 THINGS (1)  BODY, (2)  SOUL, & (3) SPIRIT. YET IT IS "ONE" BODY.

EACH HUMAN BODY  CONSISTS OF  MAY PARTS – USUALLY 2 LEGS, 2 ARMS, 1 HEAD, 1 TORSO etc. YET IT IS  "ONE" HUMAN BODY.

We are additionally reminded of what Proverbs 28:5 says: "Men given to badness cannot understand judgement, but those who are seeking Jehovah can understand everything." Yes, those that are seeking Jehovah can understand everything. This hardly leaves room for an  incomprehensible mystery Godhead.

PROVERBS 28:5 AS IT IS RENDERED IN NIV: "EVIL MEN DO NOT  UNDERSTAND JUSTICE, BUT THOSE WHO SEEK THE LORD UNDERSTAND IT FULLY."

NOTE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO ARTICLES?  IT IS "NOT" = MEN "GIVEN TO  BADNESS" – BUT "EVIL MEN" DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

THESE EVIL MEN DO NOT UNDERSTAND "JUSTICE" & NOT MEN GIVEN TO BADNESS  CAN NOT UNDERSTAND "JUDGEMENT."

TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING TO HOW IT SHOULD READ. THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE "CORRECT" BIBLE SO THAT WE  "UNDERSTAND" GOD’S  JUSTICE & HIS TEACHING & NOT BE LEAD ASTRAY BY "BAD OR EVIL"  MEN.

Yes, rather than be blinded to spiritual things, true Christians are given the "mind of Christ," in order to discern them. This is brought out by Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 2:16 where we read:  "For "who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct  him?" But we do have the  mind of Christ." Though we cannot have the mind of Jehovah, Paul makes it clear we can have the mind of Jesus. Thus this scripture in and of itself proves that  Jesus cannot be Jehovah God, for  how can anyone have God's mind? We cannot! Yet, Paul said we could have Jesus' mind. We are again forced to conclude just from this verse, that Jesus is NOT Jehovah! Yes He is, just read the verse below. AS IT IS IN NIV:

"FOR WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF LORD THAT HE MAY INSTRUCT HIM? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST."

FIRST OF ALL -  TO BE ABLE TO HAVE "SPIRITUAL" GIFTS (THINGS AS THE AUTHOR DESCRIBES THEM) ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT. THAT IS ONE "MUST"  HAVE "HOLY SPIRIT" INDWELLING IN THEIR HEART.

NO PERSON CAN HAVE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR HEART WHEN THEY "DENY" THAT "HE  EXISTS."

HOLY SPIRIT WOULD NOT DENY HIMSELF EXISTENCE IF HE LIVES IN YOUR HEART. THAT IS A HYPOCRITICAL STATEMENT TO SAY THE  LEAST.

ALSO, IF WE HAVE THE MIND OF "JESUS" THEN WE ARE NOT ABOUT TO DENY  HIM EITHER, AS  HE WILL NOT "DENY HIMSELF" EITHER. SO HOW IN THE WORLD CAN   ANYONE SAY  THAT HE/SHE CAN HAVE THE "MIND" OF JESUS & THEN DENY HIM IT IS  BEYOND   ANY HUMAN REASON. JUST SEE 2 Timothy 2: 11-13.

WHEN WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST, THEN WE HAVE THE MIND OF GOD = AS JESUS  IS GOD. HE IN DWELLS IN YOUR HEART &  HE TELLS US SO. HE WILL NOT DENY   HIMSELF.

Let us continue.

I HAVE SEPARATED THE FOLLOWING PASSAGE IN TO SMALLER SEGMENTS AS THERE IS SO MUCH TO COMMENT ON.

Next we read: "And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ."

{THE VERSE READS LIKE THIS  AND WE ARE "IN" HIM WHO IS TRUE – EVEN "IN" HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. WHO IS THE TRUE GOD  AND ETERNAL LIFE.}

Now we see just who this true one is!! It is the one,  whom True Christians are in union with,

{IN HIM} BY MEANS OF JESUS  CHRIST! {NOT TRUE –  WE ARE IN THE FATHER & EVEN IN HIS SON.  LOOK AT THE  VERSE CAREFULLY AGAIN. THEN SEE YOUR KIT & SEE HOW WT HAVE "INSERTED THE  WORDS "UNION WITH" WHICH ARE NOT IN ORIGINAL GREEK.}

And just  whom  might this be? Jesus himself answered this  question for us at John 14:20, where we read: "In that day YOU will know  that I am in union with  my Father and YOU are in union with me and I am in union with YOU."

{HERE WE HAVE TO SEE THE ORIGINAL TEXT AGAIN SO LET’S SEE  HOW NIV RENDERS THE VERSE: "ON THAT DAY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT I AM  "IN" MY  FATHER, AND YOU ARE "IN ME," AND I AM "IN YOU."}

Thus, Christians are  in union with the Father BY MEANS OF, or due to the fact of, being in  union with Jesus.

[NOT SO, WE ARE "IN" THE FATHER JUST AS CHRIST IS  "IN"  HIM & HE "IN" US}.

Notice what the apostle John said at 1 John 2:24: "As  for YOU, let that which YOU have heard from [the] ginning remain in  YOU. If that which YOU have heard from [the] beginning remains in YOU,  YOU will also abide in union with  the Son and in union with the  Father."

 {NOT SO: THE VERSE GOES LIKE THIS = "SEE THAT WHAT YOU  HAVE   HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING REMAINS "IN" YOU. IF IT DOES, YOU  ALSO WILL  REMAIN "IN THE SON AND IN THE FATHER."   Yes, Christians abide in union with {NO, WE ARE "IN" THE}

the Son and  Father, by means of Jesus Christ, "the one through whom all things are,  {NOTE "ALL" THINGS & NOT ALL "OTHER" THINGS.} and we [the anointed  Christian congregation, in the context of Paul's'  words he wrote to the Corinthians] through him." 1 Corinthians 8:6

HERE IS THE VERSE AGAIN SO THAT YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT: " AND WE ARE "IN" HIM WHO IS TRUE – EVEN "IN" HIS  SON JESUS  CHRIST. WHO IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.} NOTE THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD!!

Next we read: "This is the true God and life everlasting." So then who is the True God? It is the Father, Jehovah, {NO – IT IS JESUS} the one True Christians are in union  with "by means of" Jesus Christ. {NO: WE ARE "IN" HIM & HE "IN" US}

It is indeed the Father, who was the one who offered mankind everlasting  life, by means of his only begotten Son. (John 3:16)  {JOHN 3:16 TALKS  ABOUT HOW MUCH FATHER "LOVES" US}

Remember, Jesus did NOT say  that True Christians stop at the feet of Jesus! Rather, Jesus said the goal of  True Christians is to go to the Father THROUGH the Son, with his words at John 14:6 which reads: "Jesus said to him: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

{NOTE DEAR READERS THAT WE ARE TO "STOP" AT CHRIST'S FEET AS THERE  IS "NO WAY"  TO THE FATHER, BUT BY STOPPING AT "JESUS’" FEET FIRST AS "JESUS  IS THE  WAY" TO THE FATHER.}

And again at John 4:23: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike  ones to worship him."

LET’S SEE HOW THIS VERSE IS READING IN NIV:

"YET A TIME IS COMING AND HAS NOW COME WHEN THE TRUE "WORSHIPPERS" WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER "IN" THE "SPIRIT" AND TRUTH, FOR THEY ARE THE KIND OF WORSHIPPERS  THE AFTER  SEEKS. 24 GOD IS SPIRIT. AND HIS WORSHIPPERS "MUST" WORSHIP  "IN" THE  "SPIRIT."

NOTE AGAIN THAT "TRUE" CHRISTIANS "MUST" WORSHIP "IN THE "SPIRIT" AS GOD  IS "SPIRIT."

DO YOU WORSHIP IN THE SPIRIT? IF NOT THEN YOU BETTER CHANGE YOUR WAYS. FOR THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THE "FATHER" WILL ACCEPT US! ANYONE WHO DENIES THE "HOLY SPIRIT" EXISTENCE & CALLS IT "IT" – THEN  HE/SHE IS NOT WORSHIPPING "IN THE SPIRIT," BUT BY FOLLOWING  MEAN  UNINSPIRED MEN.

Yes, True Christians do not stop at the feet of Jesus, but rather they recognize the channel or means by which to approach the only true God, the Father, one person.

{YOU KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP – NOT TRUE- JESUS IS THE  ‘DOOR" TO  THE FATHER & WE WILL "STOP" AT HIS DOOR FIRST & THEN HE WILL  SAY "YES"  OR "NO." WHICH ANSWER ARE YOU AFTER YES OR NO?}.

(John 17:1-3)  Also,  Jesus taught at John 4:23 that true worshipers, worship the Father, who  is one person, NOT: Father, Son, and holy spirit. (or 3 persons as the  trinity teaches)

WE HAVE COVERED THESE PASSAGES ENOUGH – WOULD  YOU  PLEASE RE READ THEM & SEE FOR YOUR SELF AGAIN THAT WE ARE TO  "STOP" AT  THE DOOR OF JESUS, AND THAT WE ARE TO WORSHIP "IN THE SPIRIT"  TO GET  THERE.

Thus the "true God," according to the apostle John at 1 John 5:20 is NOT Jesus, but rather Jesus' own Father, Jehovah, the very God of Jesus Christ. (Micah 5:4;  Revelation 3:12) JUST FOR THE ONE LAST LOOK AT THE VERSE HERE IT IS:

"AND WE ARE "IN" HIM WHO IS TRUE – EVEN "IN" HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. WHO IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

 WHAT SAY YE? WHO IS THE "TRUE" GOD DESCRIBED IN THIS VERSE -  FATHER OR  THE SON?

PLEASE READ MALACHI 3:1 & ZAC. 12:10 IN NIV - NWT IS OK FOR MALACHI PASSAGE & FOR MATTHEW 3:3

MAY THE SPIRIT "OPEN" YOUR EYES & HEART SO THAT YOU "WORSHIP" IN THE SPIRIT & NOT IN THE WT OR ANY OTHER MAN MADE ORGANIZATION.